Dutch - Revision history

Ariel at 18:33, 4 January 2024

2024-01-04T18:33:55Z

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	''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''		''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''

	The Localization Lab Mattermost channel and Localization Lab language-focused channels are hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ Team CommUNITY] Mattermost instance and are subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. To join Mattermost, follow the instructions on the [https://~~internetfreedomfestival~~.~~org/wiki~~/index.php~~/IFF_Mattermost~~ Team CommUNITY wiki] and indicate that you are joining as a member of the Localization Lab community. Once you have created a Mattermost account, you can join the [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-lab-chat Localization Lab main channel] and any language team channels.		The Localization Lab Mattermost channel and Localization Lab language-focused channels are hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ Team CommUNITY] Mattermost instance and are subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. To join Mattermost, follow the instructions on the [https://wiki.digitalrights.community/index.php?title=TCU_Mattermost Team CommUNITY wiki] and indicate that you are joining as a member of the Localization Lab community. Once you have created a Mattermost account, you can join the [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-lab-chat Localization Lab main channel] and any language team channels.

	[https://about.mattermost.com/ Mattermost]: [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-nl''Dutch Channel'']		[https://about.mattermost.com/ Mattermost]: [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-nl''Dutch Channel'']

Erin at 10:11, 29 July 2021

2021-07-29T10:11:32Z

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	===Afrikaans (af)===		===Afrikaans (af)===
	Afrikaans is a language on its own with strong similarities to Dutch. It is spoken in the southern regions of Africa and it has its own localization community unrelated to Dutch. Most Afrikaans speakers have English as their first or second language, so there usually aren't many translators who feel the need to localize a project to Afrikaans. Never the less Afrikaans has plenty of speakers who prefer Afrikaans over English, and project maintainers should add Afrikaans (af) to their resources.		Afrikaans is a language on its own with strong similarities to Dutch. It is spoken in the southern regions of Africa and it has its own localization community unrelated to Dutch. Most Afrikaans speakers have English as their first or second language, so there usually aren't many translators who feel the need to localize a project to Afrikaans. Never the less Afrikaans has plenty of speakers who prefer Afrikaans over English, and project maintainers should add Afrikaans (af) to their resources.

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Erin: /* Communication Platforms */ Added Dutch channel

2021-07-26T10:21:23Z

Communication Platforms: Added Dutch channel

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	==Communication Platforms==		==Communication Platforms==
	''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''		''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''
	The Localization Lab Mattermost is hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ ~~International Freedom Festival~~] ~~domain~~ and is subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. ~~Be sure to read through~~ the [https://~~www.~~internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/~~Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct~~] and ~~then~~ [~~mailto~~:~~info@localizationlab~~.org~~?subject=Mattermost%20Sign~~-~~up&body=Please%20send%20me%20a%20link%20to%20sign%20up%20for%20Mattermost~~. ~~contact us~~] ~~and we will send you a link to sign up for the channel~~.
			The Localization Lab Mattermost channel and Localization Lab language-focused channels are hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ Team CommUNITY] Mattermost instance and are subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. To join Mattermost, follow the instructions on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/IFF_Mattermost Team CommUNITY wiki] and indicate that you are joining as a member of the Localization Lab community. Once you have created a Mattermost account, you can join the [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-lab-chat Localization Lab main channel] and any language team channels.

			[https://about.mattermost.com/ Mattermost]: [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-nl''Dutch Channel'']

	You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.		You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.


	==Dutch style guide==		==Dutch style guide==

Erin: Reverted edits by Erin (talk) to last revision by Meteor0id

2021-07-26T10:19:27Z

Reverted edits by Erin (talk) to last revision by Meteor0id

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	==Communication Platforms==		==Communication Platforms==
	''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''		''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''
			The Localization Lab Mattermost is hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ International Freedom Festival] domain and is subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. Be sure to read through the [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct] and then [mailto:info@localizationlab.org?subject=Mattermost%20Sign-up&body=Please%20send%20me%20a%20link%20to%20sign%20up%20for%20Mattermost. contact us] and we will send you a link to sign up for the channel.
			You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.

	The Localization Lab Mattermost channel and Localization Lab language-focused channels are hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ Team CommUNITY] Mattermost instance and are subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. To join Mattermost, follow the instructions on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/IFF_Mattermost Team CommUNITY wiki] and indicate that you are joining as a member of the Localization Lab community. Once you have created a Mattermost account, you can join the [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-lab-chat Localization Lab main channel] and any language team channels.

	~~You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.~~

	==Dutch style guide==		==Dutch style guide==

Erin: /* Communication Platforms */ Updated with new Mattermost instructions

2021-07-26T10:18:57Z

Communication Platforms: Updated with new Mattermost instructions

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	==Communication Platforms==		==Communication Platforms==
	''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''		''The most important thing to do is to stay connected with fellow translators and reviewers.''
	The Localization Lab Mattermost is hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ ~~International Freedom Festival~~] ~~domain~~ and is subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. ~~Be sure to read through~~ the [https://~~www.~~internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/~~Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct~~] and ~~then~~ [~~mailto~~:~~info@localizationlab~~.org~~?subject=Mattermost%20Sign~~-~~up&body=Please%20send%20me%20a%20link%20to%20sign%20up%20for%20Mattermost. contact us~~] and ~~we will send you a link to sign up for the channel~~.
			The Localization Lab Mattermost channel and Localization Lab language-focused channels are hosted on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/ Team CommUNITY] Mattermost instance and are subject to their [https://www.internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/Code_of_Conduct Code of Conduct]. To join Mattermost, follow the instructions on the [https://internetfreedomfestival.org/wiki/index.php/IFF_Mattermost Team CommUNITY wiki] and indicate that you are joining as a member of the Localization Lab community. Once you have created a Mattermost account, you can join the [https://community.internetfreedomfestival.org/community/channels/localization-lab-chat Localization Lab main channel] and any language team channels.

	You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.		You can also comment on strings in Transifex, but please tag a reviewer for your language, because Transifex comments can otherwise easily go unnoticed.


	==Dutch style guide==		==Dutch style guide==

Meteor0id: Make a start with styling, more to be done later to improve readability of the style guide

2021-06-15T12:29:45Z

Make a start with styling, more to be done later to improve readability of the style guide

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 * The most important rule to always keep in question yourself who your audience will be and whether they will fully understand it. Yes, you are doing this work on behave of the Signal developers, but your audience are Signal users. Place yourself in the frame of mind of a Signal user who doesn't really know much about Signal and is trying to understand his options. Don't just translate literary, translate in such a way that it makes sense, is accurate, and is easy to read for the end user.
 * Any translator or reviewer should be using the Signal Beta app, so you can see the new strings as soon as possible and know where they occur in the app. If you don't know the context, you can't write good localizations.
-* What we are doing is localization, not just translation. That means translations do not have to match precisely to the same words in English; sometimes the cultural differences are a reason to write a different text in Dutch, meaning different words and/or a different structure of the sentence. An example: "Signal needs location services enabled to discover and connect with your old Android device." is localized as "Om je oude Android apparaat te kunnen detecteren en om er verbinding mee te maken is het nodig dat locatiebepaling op je apparaat is ingeschakeld.". Another example: don't write "Om het in te schakelen, tik op de schuifknop zodat hij blauw wordt." but instead write "Tik op de schuifknop zodat hij blauw wordt om meekijkpreventie in te schakelen."
+* What we are doing is localization, not just translation. That means translations do not have to match precisely to the same words in English; sometimes the cultural differences are a reason to write a different text in Dutch, meaning different words and/or a different structure of the sentence.
 * For quotation marks we use opening and closing quotation marks as such: “ ” . Note that these are not the same quotation marks we see in the English text strings. There is no key for these on your keyboard, so you might want to learn a shortcut to type them, or you can copy paste them wherever you need them.
 * Follow proper Dutch spelling, for example don't write "log bestand" but instead write "logbestand".

Meteor0id: Fix many typos

2021-05-26T18:31:58Z

Fix many typos

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	Dutch is the first language of about 24 million people, and a second language to another 5 million people, making it one of the 40 most spoken languages in the world. It is an official language in the Netherlands, Suriname and the Belgium. Dutch is closely related to English and German, and because Dutch is not a world language, most people with Dutch as their first language are also proficient in English. Never the less not all who speak Dutch are proficient in English, and localization to Dutch helps create a better understanding of the app / website or whatever resource is being translated.		Dutch is the first language of about 24 million people, and a second language to another 5 million people, making it one of the 40 most spoken languages in the world. It is an official language in the Netherlands, Suriname and the Belgium. Dutch is closely related to English and German, and because Dutch is not a world language, most people with Dutch as their first language are also proficient in English. Never the less not all who speak Dutch are proficient in English, and localization to Dutch helps create a better understanding of the app / website or whatever resource is being translated.
	The Dutch language plays a significant role in it's ~~culteral differnces~~: The Dutch often view ~~themselfs~~ as more nuanced and reserved than for ~~exmaple~~ Americans. The language is typically more descriptive and less figurative than English.		The Dutch language plays a significant role in it's cultural differences: The Dutch often view themselves as more nuanced and reserved than for example Americans. The language is typically more descriptive and less figurative than English.

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	* [https://urd2.let.rug.nl/~vannoord/bin/alpino https://urd2.let.rug.nl/~vannoord/bin/alpino] university hosted tool to identify structure of a Dutch sentence. It's the same tool as redekundig.nl but hosted elsewhere, and the interface is harder to comprehend. Would advise trying this in case redekundig.nl isn't giving you the information you need.		* [https://urd2.let.rug.nl/~vannoord/bin/alpino https://urd2.let.rug.nl/~vannoord/bin/alpino] university hosted tool to identify structure of a Dutch sentence. It's the same tool as redekundig.nl but hosted elsewhere, and the interface is harder to comprehend. Would advise trying this in case redekundig.nl isn't giving you the information you need.
	* [https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/signaalwoorden-lijst/ List of signal words], use these wherever possible, they help clarify your message and prevent ambiguity.		* [https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/signaalwoorden-lijst/ List of signal words], use these wherever possible, they help clarify your message and prevent ambiguity.
	* Dutch article debunking myths about 'new ~~grammer~~ rules': https://vrttaal.net/nieuws/kranten-haal-het-nepnieuws-over-de-ans-van-jullie-site		* Dutch article debunking myths about 'new grammar rules': https://vrttaal.net/nieuws/kranten-haal-het-nepnieuws-over-de-ans-van-jullie-site

	===Style and tone===		===Style and tone===

Meteor0id: Add short introduction to Dutch

2021-05-26T18:30:15Z

Add short introduction to Dutch

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			Dutch is the first language of about 24 million people, and a second language to another 5 million people, making it one of the 40 most spoken languages in the world. It is an official language in the Netherlands, Suriname and the Belgium. Dutch is closely related to English and German, and because Dutch is not a world language, most people with Dutch as their first language are also proficient in English. Never the less not all who speak Dutch are proficient in English, and localization to Dutch helps create a better understanding of the app / website or whatever resource is being translated.
			The Dutch language plays a significant role in it's culteral differnces: The Dutch often view themselfs as more nuanced and reserved than for exmaple Americans. The language is typically more descriptive and less figurative than English.

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Meteor0id: better explain grammatical mood

2021-05-26T17:47:53Z

better explain grammatical mood

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	* Use pronoun + "wie" instead of "die" wherever possible. Read [https://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/1564 Taaladvies about wie/die] about where to use "wie" and where to use "die". This is a style choice we made to make complex sentences easier to comprehend.		* Use pronoun + "wie" instead of "die" wherever possible. Read [https://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/1564 Taaladvies about wie/die] about where to use "wie" and where to use "die". This is a style choice we made to make complex sentences easier to comprehend.
	* Use "van wie", "bij wie", "op wie" and "voor wie" instead of "waarvan", "waarmee", "waarop" and "waarvoor" wherever possible.		* Use "van wie", "bij wie", "op wie" and "voor wie" instead of "waarvan", "waarmee", "waarop" and "waarvoor" wherever possible.
	* For texts on buttons in Android and Desktop: use "Aan gesprek deelnemen", "Aan Signal doneren" and "Alice toevoegen". Do not use "Voeg Alice toe" or "Deelnemen aan gesprek" or "Doneren aan Signal". ~~reason for this is optial readability. Also~~ capitalize the first letter. ~~on iOS~~ we ~~have not yet decided on the style, because that operating system often uses 'gebiedende wijs' rather than 'infinitief~~'.		* For texts on buttons in Android and Desktop use the infinitive (infinitief) grammatical mood (werkwoordswijs), do not use the imperative (gebiedende wijs) because we don't want to give the user the impression that he is recommended or required to press the button. It is not imperative you clikc the button, it is merely an option you have. This is the norm in almost all Dutch translations also outside of the Signal project. Only iOS still often uses the imperative, so for iOS we have not yet decided which form we wish to use. Examples: Do use "Aan gesprek deelnemen", "Aan Signal doneren" and "Alice toevoegen". Do not use "Voeg Alice toe" or "Deelnemen aan gesprek" or "Doneren aan Signal".
			* Only capitalize the first letter. Unlike English we don't capitalize every word in Dutch.
	* Try to stick to Dutch words, even if you see English words being used in other apps: "timer" becomes "tijdspanne", "admin" "beheerder", "checkbox" "selectievakje of aankruisvakje", "updaten" "bijwerken", "icon" "pictogram", "non-profit" "organisatie zonder winstoogmerk", "error" "fout", "database""databank" etc. You can find words like these listed in the Transifex Glossary for the Dutch Signal project.		* Try to stick to Dutch words, even if you see English words being used in other apps: "timer" becomes "tijdspanne", "admin" "beheerder", "checkbox" "selectievakje of aankruisvakje", "updaten" "bijwerken", "icon" "pictogram", "non-profit" "organisatie zonder winstoogmerk", "error" "fout", "database""databank" etc. You can find words like these listed in the Transifex Glossary for the Dutch Signal project.
	* Beware of capitalization: use "QR-code" do not use "QR-Code" or "qr-code". "WiFi" is spelled different in Dutch: "wifi" all lowercase and without a dash. You can find words like these listed in the Transifex Glossary for the Dutch Signal project.		* Beware of capitalization: use "QR-code" do not use "QR-Code" or "qr-code". "WiFi" is spelled different in Dutch: "wifi" all lowercase and without a dash. You can find words like these listed in the Transifex Glossary for the Dutch Signal project.

Meteor0id: address that using formal and / or old language is perfectly fine

2021-05-07T20:25:48Z

address that using formal and / or old language is perfectly fine

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	* Don't use possessive pronounce for things the user isn't possessing: Don't write "Open Signal-Desktop en gebruik de sneltoetsen om je tekstgrootte aan te passen.", instead write "Open Signal-Desktop en gebruik de sneltoetsen om de tekstgrootte aan te passen.". Users don't have font size, Signal has font size.		* Don't use possessive pronounce for things the user isn't possessing: Don't write "Open Signal-Desktop en gebruik de sneltoetsen om je tekstgrootte aan te passen.", instead write "Open Signal-Desktop en gebruik de sneltoetsen om de tekstgrootte aan te passen.". Users don't have font size, Signal has font size.
	* We consistently use only the ‘rode werkwoordsvolgorde’, never the ‘groene werkwoordsvolgorde’. This means we never write "... vertrokken is." but instead always write "... is vertrokken.". For more information about verb order: [https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/rode-groene-volgorde/ https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/rode-groene-volgorde/]		* We consistently use only the ‘rode werkwoordsvolgorde’, never the ‘groene werkwoordsvolgorde’. This means we never write "... vertrokken is." but instead always write "... is vertrokken.". For more information about verb order: [https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/rode-groene-volgorde/ https://onzetaal.nl/taaladvies/rode-groene-volgorde/]
			* Do not hesitate to make use of 'old' or 'formal' words or grammer wherever it reduces ambiguity. For example the phrase "Journalist Bergman
			Zag tijdens een interview met De Koning deze foto op zijn bureau staan." For most readers it wil be clear that the photo was on the Kings desk, but some may understand it in the litteral sense and understand that the photo was on the desk of journalist Berman. The solution to prevent this ambiguity is to use grammar whoch is perfectly correct, but isn't used often anymore: "Journalist Berman zag tijdens een interview met De Koning deze foto of diens bureau staan." (In case of a female person it would be "dier" instead of "diens". Don't shy away from formal language, avoiding ambiguoty is of a hogher priority. Just because some people don't oike the sound of it doesn't mean it's wrongz at least everyone understands it without confusion or misinterpretation.

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